Simulated_AASI:By_traject: 47.922954, Ethnic group. There were only Serbian speaking tribes originated in Vinca and Lepenski Vir (Iron Gates). I have noticed that most of the research suggest that people of the Sintashta-Andronovo had a high rate of Blondism and even higher rate of frequency of light eyes. The people of the Sintashta culture were Bronze Age chariot warriors of the Northern steppes. How many percent of Steppe R1b populations(Afanasievo,Yamnaya,Catacomb,Khvalynsk,Repin,Samara,Dnieper-Donets) have Blonde-Red hair and Blue eyes? A new moment is that some individuals recognise Aryans existence, but they see them as primitive barbarians without any culture who even did not know for agriculture. Gotta love how Fire-Haired pretends he hasn't been reading Eurogenes all these years, never heard his insistence that Sintashta were just East European herders, and how they were "blonde-blue eyed cowboys of the steppes". But is Gedmatch fully consistent with whatever you got that analyses from? https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00439-009-0683-0, Finally, our data indicate that at the Bronze and Iron Age timeframe, south Siberians were blue (or green)-eyed, fair-skinned and light-haired people. MNG_XiongNu:DA39: 47.719183, UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I7542: 13.779390, We will see.i mean, you likely base this off of older researches and your own modelling of G25+ gedmatch calcs.maybe youre right.maybe you arent. If you had any middle eastern muslim ancestry, it probably has been largely diluted over several generations: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1l87nGSIYTP-h7m-VKjB-BZcuEoWdz765nU4f_krOdd4/edit#gid=0. ] IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA: 2.5, They probably had plenty of basal Eurasian input. sample: Custom:AGUser_Mingle, https://images.livemint.com/rf/Image-621414/LiveMint/Period1/2016/02/24/Photos/jatprotests-kfEG621[emailprotected] Simulated_AASI:By_traject: 39.214423, UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I7542: 14.520746, UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I4289: 10.75322, no one else. IVCp:Simulated_by_Pegasus: 9.205222, UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I7542: 11.03603, Out of curiosity, where would you think I am from? UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I7414: 10.63865, ] Your argument still stands for the most Indus Steppe hybrid people, just with less emphasis on Steppe component. Simulated_AASI_NW_by_DMXX:NW_GonurBA2: 73.08698 Probably more like a modern Balochi/Gujarati vs modern Italian/Iberian level of a difference in skin colour (which is non-trivial). The Y-DNA from thirty males was extracted. Results Ive seen so far indicate. It seems none knows the origin of cow worshipping (or he is just modest and wants to keep for himself). Simulated_AASI: 10, We should prove that it is very opposite from the truth and that Aryans culture was at the world highest level at that time and that strongly enriched SA region, especially the future India, where was inbuilt in the core of their identity up to these days. IVCp:Simulated_by_Pegasus: 11.47976, The authors of the study found the Sintashta people to be closely genetically related to the people of the Corded Ware culture, the Srubnaya culture, the Potapovka culture, and the Andronovo culture. TJK_Dashti_Kozy_BA:I4257: 14.78633, Evidently there were already horse riders among Yamnaya people - the post-Yamnaya Catacomb culture had proto-chariots that were likely influential on Sintashta's proper chariots. This reaches something like 90%+ in Northern Europe and apparently the MLBA values were 50% to 60%. UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I7492: 13.143924, UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I7419: 12.654049, { IVCp:Simulated_by_Pegasus: 7.308931, UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA: 30.83, }, And if youre curious about how Pashtuns proper (as an ethnic group) figure in a regional context, its like so: Pashtuns are basically genetically intermediate between Pamiri-sprachbund speakers in Tajikistan and the Persianate people of Khorasan (Iran), but with a strong skew towards northwestern India. Most analyses place them at 35%-40%, which means they are comparable to the Jatts and Ror of Haryana (but the rest of their ancestry is quite different from those people). MNG_XiongNu:DA45: 51.081925, UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I4286: 12.06560, }, Tributaries of Oka and rivers of Volga-Oka basin have got names: Yamna, Yam, Ima, Imyev, Yaran (Sunny, Light), Urga (Light Movement), Sura (Sunny) Alatyr (Saint Stone), Lama (Spiritual teacher), Moksha (Enlightenment) and others. MNG_XiongNu:DA39: 48.07335, If so, do you have any personal experience with Haryanvi Jaats? The tribes Sarmatians, Goths, Sakas, Getae, Massagetaeans (from Danube) are all Serbian speaking tribes. [d] Individuals from the Bell Beaker culture, the Unetice culture and contemporary Scandinavian cultures were also found to be closely genetically related to Corded Ware. UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I7492: 13.242848, UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I7416: 15.425579, KAZ_Dali_EBA: 2.5, 23.5 Khatri Some present Tajik, Uzbek, and Balochi admixture as their replacement. run the hirisplex on the snps yourself. UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I7421: 16.161263, KAZ_Dali_EBA: 1.67, I dont know. Sacrificed Ram. I dont see it phenotypically, especially not in agitation pics I posted. MNG_XiongNu:DA39: 45.381245, . At the temple of Tutmozis III and his sister Numt Amena, we find his colourful fighting with the nations: Ruthenians, unknown in N.Africa and Heti in Hanan. Agreed they werent blonde hair blue eyed nordics, but I dont know of anyone who makes the claim they were (besides 20th century Europeans maybe). There are 12 Punjabi Jatt coordinates provided by forum members via their own data and relatives/friends who average out to 19% AASI. Ive added my first cousin paternal side as a comparison. [http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/03/andronovo-pastoralists-brought-steppe.html]. There are three clusters of Pashtun people: Southwestern Pashtuns (Kandahar, Helmand, and Uruzghan in Afghanistan and the Pashtun inhabitants of Balochistan in Pakistan). TJK_Dashti_Kozy_BA: 16.67, But until then, just remember that you dont know what youre talking about. TJK_Dashti_Kozy_BA:I4160: 18.853628, There is evidence of copper and bronze metallurgy taking place in every house excavated at Sintashta, again an unprecedented intensity of metallurgical production for the steppe. you seem to be a manipulator of language (e.g., whites cant be swarthy, modern europeans). UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I7492: 15.509800, UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I7420: 10.95507, Caucasian hunter gatherer has been noted by some studies to be common ancestor of both the Aryans and Iranian farmer related ancestry. I recall a PCA plot that showed the cluster skewing slightly towards the Han (due to Austro Asiatic + Tibet Burman admixture), but they were still rather closer to the European cline. I think this more or less confirms what Razib Khan had discussed a while ago, the Sintashta were swarthy. UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I7416: 12.873740, These were ancient populations rooted in eastern Europe/the western steppe). J1c2b. IVCp:Simulated_by_Pegasus: 9.205222, UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I7420: 13.586767, The eastern Pashtuns(HGDP) seem to be closer to west eurasian shifted indians than they are either to southwestern pashtuns or Iranians. Some say East Europeans, some Slavics, some meaningless steppe or Indo-Euroepans (usually when want to disguise their identity genes, language, mythology, culture). Many even look medium brown regular Indid Plains types. [3], Elena E. Kuz'mina, The Origin of the Indo-Iranians, Volume 3, edited by J. P. Mallory, Brill NV, Leiden, 2007, p 222, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sintashta&oldid=1151165929, the Sintashta culture are the result of an eastwards migration from the, (starting at time 5.00) after 2200BC the Sintashta culture developed a breed of horses that by 1500BC to 1000BC came to replace all other domesticated horses in the world, and that genetic analysis of those horses' recovered. europeans are west eurasian. MNG_XiongNu:DA45: 51.87561 TJK_Dashti_Kozy_BA: 10, I think I have a very classic pan S Asian pheno. TJK_Dashti_Kozy_BA:I4160: 18.269399, But skin color is the phenotypical quality where theres least difference within contemporary Europe per unexposed skin color studies, perhaps with the exception of the British Isles where the high frequencies of red-hair associated alleles produce very pale people at slightly higher percentage than the rest. Why are you saying 45% when the supposed data you are taking about says 65%? Thats still not very dark? A people who changed the world. closestDistances: [ Mildly closer to West Eurasian-type Indians than western Iranians, slightly closer to Khorasani Iranians than West Eurasian-type Indians. :) He makes the rules on his site, and he's got a fast trigger finger. It is the remains of a fortified settlement dating to the Bronze Age, c. 28001600 BC,[1] and is the type site of the Sintashta culture. UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I4288: 14.273767, Simulated_AASI_NW_by_DMXX:NW_SiSBA3: 52.10732, I want you even to continue keep posting more info from your analyses, if you can. UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I7492: 9.115483, MNG_XiongNu: 5.83, And we should always remember that the Sintashta/Andronovo people werent contemporary western Europeans (lol obviously. Life happens wrora. Most of the Pashtuns of Pakistan cluster closer to Punjabis and Dardic peoples, then they do to either Iranians or Afghan Pashtuns. TJK_Dashti_Kozy_BA:I4160: 20.108981, UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I7416: 10.39090, Theres also ancient DNA that harbour L in particular L1a from South Caucasus. Razib Khan about pigmentation: The Sintashta were swarthy. Sintashta sites have produced finds of horn and bone, interpreted as furniture (grips, arrow rests, bow ends, string loops) of bows; there is no indication that the bending parts of these bows included anything other than wood. But what does that say about the dynamics of Aryanization (these people are Shudra, right?). heterozygotes for slc45a2 are way more likely to have olive skin. But are any kurd and mazandarani also included as west iranian? He needs a reality check. I have used the GEDmatch calculators and get a variety of results. Higher-status grave goods include chariots, as well as axes, mace-heads, spearheads, and cheek-pieces. Ive read a paper on the Jats and I share the same Y haplogroup https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5611447/. KAZ_Dali_EBA:I3447: 23.003946, This likely means that those who engaged in metal production were not at the top of the social-hierarchy, even though being buried at a cemetery evidences some sort of higher status. KAZ_Dali_EBA: 4.17, The norm seems to be hazel and grey eyes for her paternal cousins and their offsprings. { Moreso than the Bulgarians, who were once Iranian speakers (when they were ruled by the Iranians around 500 BC), who later spoke a Latin language during the Roman Empire such as Dacian, and then who spoke a Slavic language around 400 AD. First, Greeks have nothing to do with Aryans. UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I4289: 13.482790, Sarazm_EN has additional North Eurasian ancestry). Country: It is much easier to determine skin pigmentation from genes (for instance, the average geneticist could probably determine from my DNA that I am a naturally light-skinned individual who tans easily and well) than it is to determine what language they spoke. Simulated_AASI_NW_by_DMXX: 6.67, What period in Bronze Age did East Asian Mongoloid admixtures started becoming predominant among Eastern Steppe Indo-Europeans? it seems counterintuitive and certainly is contrary to modern era selection standards that worship sharp features, light skin, and light eyes. MNG_XiongNu: 6.67, Aryans created several kingdoms (anyone knows their names?). The Sintashta culture (Russian: , romanized:Sintashtinskaya kul'tura) is a Bronze Age archaeological culture of the Southern Urals, dated to the period c. 22001900 BCE. { Simulated_AASI_NW_by_DMXX:NW_GonurBA2: 70.47229 The blue component is Indus Valley, the red is PIE, the grey is Indian Hunter Gatherer, purple is Anatolian. Yamnaya were dark skinned, only after killing eastern european men and mixing with their women did some steppe descendants become lighter skinned. In Eastern Europe, the use of light vehicles with spoked wheels and harnessed horse teams is first evidenced in the early second-millennium BC Sintashta-Petrovka Culture in the South-eastern Ural Mountains. For the Sintashta culture from Russia/Urals ~2000 BC: OCA2/HER2 - 42% SLC45A2 - 92% For comparison, modern Estonians are 92% and 99% at these markers for the derived variant. They have an affinity towards Sarazm_EN (which explains the famed excess of MA1 affinity noticed from the very beginning. This reiterates something I've noticed in the data, Bronze Age Europeans were not as "fair" as modern Europeans. white people can be swarthy. IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA: 3.33, IVCp:Simulated_by_Pegasus: 14.486684, My dad grew up in New Delhi, a place full of Haryana Jats. The largest river of Central Russia Volga till 2nd c.BC was called Ra, in the Avesta was called Ranha, in Rig Veda and Mahabharata Ganges. It has been noted that the kind of funerary sacrifices evident at Sintashta have strong similarities to funerary rituals described in the Rig Veda. [15][43] The study found a close autosomal genetic relationship between peoples of Corded Ware culture and Sintashta culture, which "suggests similar genetic sources of the two," and may imply that "the Sintashta derives directly from an eastward migration of Corded Ware peoples. UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I7420: 15.987127, 128133. UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I7414: 14.408574, Sikh jatts are modeled in the Reich Narsimha paper. Simulated_AASI:By_traject: 41.501179, UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I4286: 15.018009, The usual means of steering the horses was with large round cheekpieces with projections that pressed into the horses' cheeks and forced a fast response to rein pulls that called for a fast turn. The logic here is that the most steppe population are peoples such as the Lithuanians, and these are very fair-skinned groups. { Eighteen carried R1a and various subclades of it (particularly subclades of R1a1a1), five carried subclades of R1b (particularly subclades of R1b1a1a), two carried Q1a and a subclade of it, one carried I2a1a1a, and four carried unspecified R1 clades. IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA: 5, Furthermore, I dont think that there was any major sampling bias. UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I7420: 13.756836, [34] Many Sintashta graves are furnished with weapons, although the composite bow associated later with chariotry does not appear. [16], The dispersal of the DOM2 genetic lineage, believed to be the ancestor of all modern domesticated horses, is linked with the populations which preceded the Sintashta culture and their expansions. Simulated_AASI_NW_by_DMXX:NW_SGPT: 49.60611, sample: Pashai_Dardic:VelvetNono_AGUser, The Sintashta also had domestic dogs, but the . MNG_XiongNu:DA43: 51.30785, I am fairly certain that Spaniards and Italians have a 50% A2 frequency for light skin. Sintashta & Andronovo were mostly blonde and blue eyed. Perhaps the Indus Valley Civilization did descend from Zagrosian farmers? They fit in, pigmentation-wise). UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I4286: 11.57652, The site is named for the adjacent Sintashta River, a tributary to the Tobol. MNG_XiongNu:DA39: 45.381245, the max they get is 30%. UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I4285: 11.68536, MNG_XiongNu: 5.83, Yes northern europeans like norwegians & swedes are genetically the closest to sintashta, when compared to other modern groups, but even those two are not the same as sintashta, they're just the "most close," there's still a huge difference. Examples would be a large proportion of KPK Pashtuns who are indistinguishable from Pakistani Punjabis (quite a few of the Reich labs Indian cline Pathans fit this bill which is why they can use that pop average for the Indian cline). I worked under her Dad, and several people asked if I was his son. She would be mistaken for Iranian or Turkish. KAZ_Dali_EBA:I3447: 23.33202, [a], Even though other researchers think it is an outdated chronology, Ventresca Miller et al. Black/Crow coloured ruler in ancient Bihar. ", "Genetic analysis indicates that the individuals in our study classified as falling within the Andronovo complex are genetically similar to the main clusters of Potapovka, Sintashta, and Srubnaya in being well modeled as a mixture of Yamnaya-related and early European agriculturalist-related or Anatolian agriculturalist-related ancestry. UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I7492: 9.115483, MNG_XiongNu:DA43: 51.362134, Simulated_AASI_NW_by_DMXX:NW_GonurBA2: 71.03511 The physical type of Abashevo, Sintashta, Andronovo and Srubnaya is later observed among the Scythians. UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I4288: 14.273767, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/Jat_Agitation_for_reservation.jpg Ghazni Pashtuns (and most Ghilzai in fact) are transitional between Central and Southwestern Pashtuns; Afridi, Orakzai, and some Kurram Pashtuns are transitional between Northeastern and Central Pashtuns. 39.9 Jat There is still a strong resistance by some circles in India to recognise existence of Aryans and their migration to SA region. sample: Pashtun:surbakhun_AGUser, IVCp: 37.5, [18], Sintashta artefact types such as spearheads, trilobed arrowheads, chisels, and large shaft-hole axes were taken east. It means, they were also Tibeto-Aryans, Afgano-Aryans, Chino-Aryans, etc . How are Jaats from Haryana 45% steppe!?! IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA: 6.67, Well here they are. IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA:I4243: 17.749606, UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I4289: 13.669834, UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA: 35.83, Actually, since Yamnaya men (R1b) were largely replaced by R1a men in Eastern Europe (Corded Ware) and the Eurasian steppe, its more like the other way sround. Sein should just post the actual nMonte outputs (including fits) rather than whatever estimates or rounded amounts he is claiming in his post. i have to run hirisplex, but think they probably were colored like sardinians. Simulated_AASI: 13.33, UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I7414: 12.003306, There were also found various stone, copper, bronze weapons and silver, gold ornaments. When i simply just modelled surbha between khatris and mazandaranis, her dad was significanly closer to khatris. { This is curenntly one of the taboo topics Aryans in Mahabharata. yes, its very different. 40s% for some individuals at a higher steppe end of the cline within the Ror or Jaat groups is not unreasonable, but 50% would be something like a hard cap that I wouldnt change unless I actually saw some south Asian/Jaat getting 50% MLBA/Krasnoyarsk on global25. UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I4285: 12.20446, 12.8% IVC West Eurasian Migrants + 7.4% AASI/AHG-related (around 20% total IVC-related ancestry) UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I7414: 12.003306, rs12913832 0.4286 Kalash are like 30% in Narsimha paper. We dont have much data for other Dardic peoples (they might be distinct from the Kalasha). 56% Steppe in Gujarati Brahmins. UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I4286: 12.36580, Pigmentation prediction in ancient populations are pretty sketchybut the Sintashta are actually not that different from many modern Northeast Europeans. MNG_XiongNu: 3.33, Ill post more analyses (this was just a nice, simple little demonstration). they are at max as steppe as N Indian brahmins. So, Id assume that they look distinct in person? Simulated_AASI_NW_by_DMXX:NW_SGPT: 49.906647, mtDNA was extracted from two females buried at the Petrovka settlement. IVCp:Simulated_by_Pegasus: 12.66654, Celto-Germanic. IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA: 11.67, This drove the construction of fortifications on an unprecedented scale and innovations in military technique such as the invention of the war chariot. In India, many talk about Indo-Aryans, assuming that Aryans exclusively came to the future India. fit: 2.1575, Theres no way getting around it these Jaats are IVC-Steppe hybrids. According to texts of ancient India, second name of the river Yamuna was Kala, and till nowadays estuary of Yamuna is called by the locals as estuary of Kala. Anyways, one of the most unbelievable facts that I have trouble reconciling with data is that: 1. ^also sorry. 42.9% Steppe in UP Brahmins She got the kit of an mixed-arab, but claims to be fully arab and said to has documents about it). 27% Steppe MLBA-related (Dashti Kozy BA) + 2.1% Dali EBA (around 30% steppe-related ancestry) These are their feedback: That doesnt seem particularly accurate. Simulated_AASI:By_Matt: 40.65719, TJK_Dashti_Kozy_BA:I4258: 21.814037, Im not sure what razib khan thinks(hes likely the one behind this pca-plot: https://www.brownpundits.com/2018/12/21/pathans-between-hind-and-iran/). That and there seems to be some kind of selection against most fair traits in south Asia, Razib talked about it regarding the A2 fair skinned allele in the past if I remember correctly. @thewarlock This population had its roots in the Balanovo and Fatyanovo cultures on the Middle Volga, and in Central Europe [T]he early Timber-grave culture (the Potapovka) population was the result of the mixing of different components. (one of the implications here is that the results which indicate strong selection for lighter complexion in Northern Europeans into historical times are probably detecting something real). UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I4286: 14.841452, closestDistances: [ Do what Ive done: get some samples of Pashtuns from across Afghanistan and Pakistan, and try various analyses with aDNA (qpAdm, PCA, ADMIXTURE), or even simply get G25 coordinates for the samples you acquire (let nMonte do the rest). 60.1% Steppe in Jats And in terms of deep ancestry (but not too deep just recent prehistory), Pashtuns evidence substantial ancestry related to the BMAC, to Sintashta, and to IVC. The genetic data suggested that the Sintashta culture was ultimately derived of a remigration of Central European peoples with steppe ancestry back into the steppe. [1][25] A series of 19 calibrated radiocarbon dating samples by Stephan Lindner, puts Sintashta culture exclusively in the Southern Trans-Urals to c. 2050-1750 BC. UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA: 50, The Iranian user DMXX said that Seh Gabi(?) UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA: 45.83, "Potapovo Burial Ground of the Indo-Iranic Tribes on the Volga" (1994). However, we have two great local BP resources, prominent pundits, Anan and Arjun, who at the moment work on Mahabharata and we expect that they explain where the similarities with Iliad come from. Would this indicate that the migration of the steppe people happened over a relatively short period of time and hence there was little time for the admixture to become part of the migration? ill double-check but think i removed the outliers. Its an insane level these people are steppe-related and IVC-related hybrids. TJK_Dashti_Kozy_BA: 27.5, They were probably more like modern Italians on average or something like that. These Pashtuns have an equal balance of IVC- related and BMAC-related ancestry, and around 30% Sintashta-related ancestry. These are massive differences based on defining Steppe differently entirely. Sintashta skulls are very similar to those of the preceding FatyanovoBalanovo and Abashevo cultures, which trace their origin to migrations from Central Europe, and those of the succeeding Srubnaya culture and Andronovo culture. IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA:I4243: 20.376972, 21.4 Gujarati. David got the same results. closestDistances: [ But I think Razib has a good point about concepts like white and even European being equivocated as convenient as applied to both ancient and modern populations. [18] Ventresca Miller et al. Sintashta (Russian: ) is an archaeological site in Chelyabinsk Oblast, Russia. IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA: 6.67, But it would surprise me if they were swarthy=comparable to Middle Easterners or the darkest southern Europeans (Sardinians). And 2.Spot-checking some major loci where Europeans are very distinct, such as KITLG, OCA2-HERC2, and SLC45A2, it is clear to me that the Sintashta . The difference in allele frequency in this SNP between Sintashta & earlier Europeans mean Sintashat carried the same effects of the post-Neolithic skin-lightening selection modern Europeans do. IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA:I4243: 14.09414, It contains 200 thousand lines of verses in 18 books. Sorry for being impatient. TJK_Dashti_Kozy_BA:I4258: 21.038477, They invented the chariot and bred the best horses the world had ever seen. In Sintashta burial sites, there were genetic outliers who themselves were closely related to the Kumsay_EBA, Steppe Maykop and even Yamnaya peoples (in the case of Sintashta_MLBA_o2). So one thing that I found interesting from Vagheshs discussion was his confirmation that the Steppe pastoralists (Sintashta ?) Ive been following posts for Y group L and in particular L-M357, which is primarily a forum run by Jatts. One thing seems to be common is Punjabi and Gujarati admixture more often than Bengali. UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I7421: 11.09292, On Gedrosia K3 it zeros down and others are less than @2.00. Because that trait selects quickly, it may not be a great idea to use it for tracking lineages. (50%-55% indigenous), 41.6% Steppe MLBA-related (Dashti Kozy BA) + 3.2% Dali EBA (around 45% steppe-related ancestry). Is the 38.33% Kransoyarsk for the Ror the average? ] The logic here is that the "most steppe population" are peoples such as the Lithuanians, and these are very fair-skinned groups. KAZ_Dali_EBA: 4.17, It is open for everyone to give his/her opinion/knowledge about this. If you run them, youll notice one is more west asian shifted than the other, A231367 Not immediately though (I dont have the sort of spare time that I once enjoyed). With Onge+Iran_N you account for the IVC ancestry but not BMAC.. 16% Hajji Firuz BA (ancient northwestern Iran) UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I7416: 13.270916, It is the remains of a fortified settlement dating to the Bronze Age, c. 2800-1600 BC, [1] and is the type site of the Sintashta culture. From Egypt they later migrated to todays Greece and Palestine. Also I wanted to share other results which show Caucasian, West and Central Asian mix. Simulated_AASI_NW_by_DMXX:NW_SiSBA2: 60.168492, Budapest: ARCHAEOLINGUA ALAPTVNY. Which is a very interesting thought and explains why, in my view, a steppe migration makes way more sense than a steppe invasion. For phenotypic comparison with the Jats, here are the Kalasha: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDzGdk2tHfs, (interestingly, the two Europeans in their midst arent pale in comparison to the Kalasha. [26] The phase of the Petrovka culture can be dated c.19001750 BCE. I really like what youre doing. I just havent seen pashtuns being slightly closer to west iranians(55% i assume) as to most westurasian desis. 1). Simulated_AASI_NW_by_DMXX:NW_SiSBA3: 45.428283, Professional membership was an importantbut not the maincriterion of personal identity. Steppe was, 47.3 Rors UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I7414: 10.03818, Who were the brothers in Mahabharata? KAZ_Dali_EBA:I3447: 23.289221, The Abashevans are marked by dolichocephaly and narrow faces. I assume iranians and kurds will get 1-3% and SE iranians 4,5% aasi. Among lots of legends, most known to people, is ancient India epos Mahabharat. But even in jest, theres always a very vague, kinda amorphous, sorta intuitive-yet-rather exaggerated truth). I thought they be more like 30% W iranian and rest desi, while southern pashtuns 55-60% W iranian(maybe) and rest westurasian desi? And none of the pashtuns are slightly closer to west iranians than most westurasian desis according to all gedmatch calcs. fit: 1.8944, I mean, the data is quite clear: these people are essentially IVC + Steppe hybrids and they are among the very few Indian populations around today which are unambiguously West Eurasian (like 85% West Eurasian). Anyway, heres something nice and simple (just to whet your appetite). The majority of the dates, however, are around 21001800 BC, which points at a main period of occupation of the site consistent with other settlements and cemeteries of the Sintashta culture. 32% would probably be close to a low end value within Rors. but lots of BMAC-related ancestry, with additional isolation-by-distance related gene-flow coming from across the Iranian plateau. if average steppe in north india is 10-20%, really? fit: 2.0153, From my research we became Muslims about 200 years ago. MNG_XiongNu:DA39: 48.07849, Its best to only speak of things which one knows. whom everyone recognize as Serbian and called various Slavic names. Formation of the Eurasian Steppe Belt Cultures: Viewed Through the Lens of Archaeometallurgy and Radiocarbon Dating, in B. Hanks & K. Linduff (eds. DaThang, I did not mean when the book was published, I thought when was the battle and who were involved. The jatts in your analyses get like 18%. The Sintashta culture is thought to represent an eastward migration of peoples from the Corded Ware culture. team low 20s. MNG_XiongNu:DA43: 50.707897, Setos (ruled from 1445-1394 BC) and his son Ramesses II on their buildings we find again a recorded victory over the people of Ruthen, Remn and the people of Shaza, and again Heti with their city Kedem, etc. MNG_XiongNu:DA43: 51.362134, One of the things that Ive always been curious about is why some Indian populations are not fairer in complexion if they had so much steppe. UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I4285: 14.334400, Here is link to a file: https://baburmitc-my.sharepoint.com/:w:/g/personal/communications_shahelmiah_com/Ec8rzbCdFDJMhbaVww03ZPkB0_LT8FjkF5scc9XXDP3ZWw?e=9HUc7s. The idea here was to use only Bronze Age reference populations. TJK_Dashti_Kozy_BA:I4258: 17.618880, Goti. The minor allele frequency is 12.5% in 64 Sintashta chromosomes. MNG_XiongNu:DA43: 49.372259, And the steppe people were not europeans. In regards to fair skin and coloured eyes some of my extended family have retained this to some extent. Sintashta horses The state of the art on Indo-European origins." Try fst and PCA in the context of contemporary populations. On G25, Kalash are consistently around 11-13% AASI either using simulated AASI coordinates or the Indus Periphery (SIS BA3) or Saidu Sharif Outlier (SSo) in modeling. No other dna-analyses had said such a thing(but i havent been lurking too much around those dna-analyses.just been playing a bit with gedmatch calcs and all and a bit with G25, hence why i before came to the conclusion all pashtuns are closer to NW south asians than to west iranians, before i met you). 10-28-2017, 03:12 PM. That is just a current pet theory of mine. This is what I look like, just a regular Indian dude. UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I4289: 16.127887, Simulated_AASI:By_traject: 45.97035, basically, my belief now is to that you wont budge from your position and will figure out a way to engage in word-play so that all early indo-europeans were white however you define them. TJK_Dashti_Kozy_BA:I4160: 14.514925, UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I4285: 10.226164, If you have screened out the outliers, then of course this wont matter much. //. https://t.co/jPeYLzbXrK 1- Keep in mind that all of MLBA is not the same thing. UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I7542: 11.03603, Simulated_AASI_NW_by_DMXX:NW_GonurBA2: 73.456076 Sintashta descend from Corded ware people but Sintashta horses descend from Yamnaya horses not Corded Ware horses. After all, the Mongols exhibited the exact same pattern after three millenia. TJK_Dashti_Kozy_BA: 30, So sintashta were darker than northern Europeans but still lighter than southern Europeans. TJK_Dashti_Kozy_BA:I4257: 21.380288, KAZ_Dali_EBA: 7.5, KAZ_Dali_EBA: 5.83, Simulated_AASI_NW_by_DMXX:NW_SGPT: 41.851678, TJK_Dashti_Kozy_BA:I4257: 17.49409, Forum; Human Population Genetics; Ancient (aDNA) An Ancient Harappan Genome Lacks Ancestry from Steppe Pastoralists or Iranian Farmers And how can we be sure about their skin color so much. TJK_Dashti_Kozy_BA:I4257: 20.138487, IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA:I4243: 13.029717, IVCp:Simulated_by_Pegasus: 8.356195, IVCp:Simulated_by_Pegasus: 14.35381, UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I7421: 13.743342, // yep. It is quite clear from your harappa results, that if there was any historic middle eastern muslim ancestry it has been greatly diluted, to the point where it is not obviously apparent. heterozygotes for slc45a2 are way more likely to have olive skin. If you can show me more, that be really nice. ): Im not even sure if whatever rule you put for these pashtuns even are true. So we also can compare them to the pashtuns. I think Bengalis are more shifted towards the European due to their West Eurasian components. ] Western Pashtuns also evidence ancestry from across the other end of the Iranian plateau (Hajji Firuz BA), an element which is lacking in the ancestry of eastern Pashtuns. But once again, that isnt representative of all Jats and skull structure does have quite a bit of variation in any group. does it model them against other groups with high steppe like N Indian Brahmins? They calculated the exact year of the battle. TJK_Dashti_Kozy_BA:I4258: 19.27092, Ive always wondered about this as well. Can we infer if a historical figure described as black or crow coloured in ancient literature was more ASI or ANI? UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I7542: 16.840752, He conquered all the lands in Europe up to Don, Volga and Danube and in Asia through Gang in India, etc. Wow.even admixture, PCA and G25 is saying that. fit: 1.84, Moderately closer to even western Iranians than any West Eurasian-type Indians, significantly closer to Khorasani Iranians than any West Eurasian-type Indians. Reference Koryakova 2011: 70-71, tab. TJK_Dashti_Kozy_BA:I4258: 16.68122, The majority of Timber-grave culture skulls are dolichocranic with middle-broad faces. { Anyways, what about the distances to the iranians and desis in G25 nmonte runner? UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I7421: 16.161263, Also, i assume you arent Sein after all.are you a member of dilawers SAPDA project? [32], The preceding Abashevo culture was already marked by endemic intertribal warfare;[33] intensified by ecological stress and competition for resources in the Sintashta period. Aryans went to all parts of South and East Asia, Mesopotamia, even Gulf. "Prehistory by Bayesian phylogenetics? [38][39], View of the Arkaim site and surrounding landscape, Sintashta ceramics and horse bridle cheekpieces, Physical remains of the Sintashta people have revealed that they were Caucasoid with dolichocephalic skulls. ] Under these pressures both Poltavka and Abashevo herders settled permanently in river valley strongholds, eschewing more defensible hill-top locations. MNG_XiongNu:DA39: 48.253536, MNG_XiongNu: 3.33, https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/05/31/22/34CDAC8300000578-3618564-image-a-1_1464730920689.jpg ] Anyway Im assuming youre Indian? This is a pashtun/ormuri kit from south waziristan: These are khost pashtuns(gets even less SI than some of the other kandahari pashtuns. . Then yeah sure like 32% for Rors seems reasonable. And can we stop with the phenotype obsession, they probably looked like tanned white people with . Jats are like 25%. AASI levels vary around 7%-15%, with most being around 11%-12%. Simulated_AASI_NW_by_DMXX:NW_SiSBA2: 59.955677, The derived SNP associated with blonde hair in Northern Europeans, and found at about 20% frequency in those populations, was found in none of the 32 calls where that position was returned. Simulated_AASI:By_traject: 44.97177, { 34.0 UP Brahmin The culture is named after the Sintashta archaeological site, in Chelyabinsk Oblast, Russia, and spreads through Orenburg Oblast, Bashkortostan, and Northern Kazakhstan. than they are to Western Iranians like Kurds, Azeris, Lurs, etc. Conversation with Chitra Iyer: Founder- Space2Grow a Social Impact Firm, Critical Caste Theory: A Dubious Discourse, https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Distribution-of-the-Yamnaya-genetic-component-in-the-populations-of-Europe-data-taken_fig2_318751121, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_substrate_hypothesis. UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I7416: 10.73646, The anthropological data confirm the existence of an impetus from the Volga region to the Ukraine in the formation of the Timber-grave culture. UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I4288: 14.362797, Obviously very, very different from Pashtuns. fit: 2.1587, My maternal grandparents are first cousins. sample: Potohar_Brahmin:Rahul77_AGUser, IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA: 1.67, Does not look Scandinavian or Eastern European at all. MNG_XiongNu:DA43: 50.707897, Nope, its already confirmed it was not an invasion at all. UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I7421: 11.09292, A Sintashta male buried at Samara was found to be carrying R1b1a1a2 and J1c1b1a. UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I7414: 10.36911, [36], The Sintashta economy came to revolve around copper metallurgy. Actually there is such a thing as Graeco-Armeno-Aryan. Among Bronze Age Europeans, the highest tolerance frequency was found in Corded Ware and the closely-related Scandinavian Bronze Age cultures. Simulated_AASI:By_Matt: 37.274068, Their first leader was mentioned in the Bible as gigantic hunter, first before the God. The Sintashta were descended from Corded Ware, and therefore had similar ancestry to modern Northern Europeans. Simulated_AASI_NW_by_DMXX:NW_SGPT: 47.75800, My understanding is that melanin levels are strongly correlated with UV radiation in the ancestral environment (its a balance between protecting you from sunburn and allowing enough production of vitamin D). In the Sintashta culture, as a rule, dead men were accompanied by a horse. So i kind of assumed you would had posted screenshots of the modellings of the desis and the pashtuns. UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA: 37.5, If the Rors are indeed high 30s Steppe, and Steppe people themselves were also large enough part Mesolithic Iranian, then they might be, on average, perhaps of majority Steppe like ancestry. sample: Pashtun:Rukha_AGUser, UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I4285: 11.70320, closestDistances: [ 50% West Eurasian IVC Migrants + 28.5% AASI/AHG-related (around 75% indigenous, assuming both West Eurasian and ENA portions of IVC-type ancestry are indigenous to South Asia), 19% Steppe MLBA (Dashti Kozy BA) + 2.5% Dali EBA (around 20%-25% steppe-related ancestry). What proportion Mesolithic Iran like were Steppe people? I also caught the part where he said that the incoming steppe population into NW South Asia may not have looked that different pigmentation wise from the people they encountered there. UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I4286: 15.018009, @Milan: Sintashta is here a bit an exception because it had fortified settlements, which left a lot of archaelogical traces. Are NE-afghans just like kalashis or do kalashis shift more towards south asia or balochs according to you? B., P. F. Kuznetsov, and A. P. Semenova. I have read on GEDmatch that if one has high Balochi/Gedrosia admixture such as shown on Harappa then the Gedrosia calculator are ideal. }, IVCp: 32.5, Goti=Goths) describe the same tribe which spoke Serbian language. MNG_XiongNu:DA39: 48.07335, UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I7421: 9.334684, . The names: Heti (i.e. The Sintashta were swarthy One of the things that I've always been curious about is why some Indian populations are not fairer in complexion if they had so much steppe. I am Gujarati Vania, and I have about as much Steppe as Gujarati B, but less Iranic Farmer (now related mesolithic Iranian per new data), and more AASI (similar to Gujarati C levels), so about 20-22% steppe. [g][h] Sintashta people were deemed "genetically almost indistinguishable" from samples taken from the northwestern areas constituting the core of the Andronovo culture, which were "genetically largely homogeneous". UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I7414: 10.36911, the Eskaru) dont even speak a Yamnaya language. The metal trade between Sintashta and the BMAC for the first time connected the steppe region to the ancient urban civilisations of the Near East: the empires and city-states of modern Iran and Mesopotamia provided a large market for metals. [37], Much of Sintashta metal was destined for export to the cities of the BactriaMargiana Archaeological Complex (BMAC) in Central Asia. IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA:I4243: 12.77576, My analysis is better, since Im using the right references, which yield the right proportions (40% Steppe_MLBA + 2%-5% Botai-related steppe admixture). [35], Sintashta culture, and the chariot, are also strongly associated with the ancestors of modern domestic horses, the DOM2 population. UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I4286: 12.36580, 1 Iranian_Fars:Average 14.2764 Open Map 100 Many males from this culture belonged to Y-DNA haplogroup R1a-Z93 and Q1a. PS: Tell them that the Khatri are an odd choice. There was no India. MNG_XiongNu:DA43: 51.30785, UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I7414: 10.03818, IVCp:Simulated_by_Pegasus: 12.66654, i just dont have the time right now (format conversion is a bitch). People need to learn to read. M194702 Thus, not far from river head of Yamuna (Oka) there is a river head of Sindhu (in Sanskrit flow, sea) modern Don, flowing to the East and South and falling into Red Sea (how Black Sea was called by ancient tribes). Anyway, its probably better to think in ranges since frequencies seem to differ a decent amount depending on sample and I wonder if we have nationally representative samples in general. This is maybe a complement to comments about Jats genetics. MNG_XiongNu:DA39: 48.72254, A particularly high lactose tolerance was found among Corded Ware and the closely related Nordic Bronze Age. UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I4288: 11.29255, Seems a bit high. UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I7419: 10.32477, }, The heir of the Neolithic Dnieper-Donets and Sredniy Stog cultures was the Pit-grave culture. MNG_XiongNu:DA45: 51.87561, It means Aryans were Serbs (tribes, not as a modern nation), who got the name after their patron, protector of hunters, god Arion (much later Greeks name Orion). TJK_Dashti_Kozy_BA:I4257: 14.78633, Also, are Rors representative of all Haryana Jats? IVCp: 7.5, 2- The Rors get ~38.33% Krasnoyarsk/Andronovo. Question is though what are the implications? there is a fair amount of selection evidence that europeans were depigmenting into the historical period. They had signifcant (30%) farmer ancestry. Jatt 0.601 0.399 NA 0.232 0.14 NA Indus_Diaspora Steppe_MLBA Onge They were known in todays Serbia (and Tripoli) during Trajans ruling and in other places, such as Venice and Italy, etc. Im always very impressed with your content. . the dark-blue eye ppl were way before that in 99% of the case, Ancient DNA provides new insights into the history of south Siberian Kurgan people Need an apples to apples comparison. https://i.imgur.com/L6fR5RX.jpg. Or even pre-indo-european, even less steppe in indians? as you know, i am honestly starting to wonder if there as contamination as those individuals are suspiciously like modern northern europeans (a lot of older non-array based ancient DNA papers in hindsight look like author contamination when i read their abstracts, especially ones in plos one). }, Also, some individuals in my central Pashtun cluster would prefer that their data not be shared with others; so, Im afraid that I wont be showing you their results. And the distance between Kandahar pashtun and: sample: Iranian_Fars:Average, 38.7% West Eurasian IVC Migrants + 13.3% AASI/AHG-related why the fuck do you think there are sayings like wogs start at calais.. 21.1% IVC West Eurasian Migrants + 11% AASI/AHG-related (around 30%-35% total IVC-related ancestry) { I really appreciate it.but honestly, are you sein and seinundzeit from eurogenes blog? But genotype could be. He ruled Egypt from 1486BC until 1425BC. UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I4288: 10.92396, They conquered the countries of Asia and Europe to the Black Sea, and in Finland to the Lika River, conquered Scythia and Thrace in Europe, and considerable part of Asia till India. ALso, when youre talking about westeurasian-shifted indians when its comes to pashtuns clustering slightly closer to west iranians, are we talking about jatts and khatris? Ancient Indian legends call Yamuna the only large tributary of Ganges (Volga), flowing from south-west, what corresponds modern Oka. [21][22][23] In 2020 Ventresca Miller et al. A genetic study published in 2021 suggests that these horses were selectively bred for desired traits including docility, stress tolerance, endurance running, and higher weight-carrying thresholds.[44]. UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA:I4285: 12.20446, Simulated_AASI:By_Matt: 33.906051, On the other hand, most Yamnaya & Neolithic farmers had the dark skin allele in this allele. And I just listened to your podcast with vagheesh it was a wonderful listen. yep. Razibs own calculation above seems to imply they were significantly lighter than the average Spaniard, who are significantly lighter than the most fair-skinned Indians. Are you just averaging things? [5] Many cultural similarities with Sintashta have also been detected in the Nordic Bronze Age of Scandinavia. . TJK_Dashti_Kozy_BA: 17.5, Simulated_AASI_NW_by_DMXX: 4.17, M897955(Most south asian shifted.if it belongs to the assumed owner). 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